tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5377834399139333410.post3077050533486945119..comments2023-09-03T08:56:25.801-05:00Comments on The unChurch: Christianity versus JesusUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5377834399139333410.post-64747963070886172012009-03-06T10:37:00.000-06:002009-03-06T10:37:00.000-06:00Dang, that was interesting. I looked it up on dict...Dang, that was interesting. I looked it up on dictionary.com cause I wasnt sure:<BR/><BR/>A. 1. any of various vetches, esp. Vicia sativa. <BR/>2. the seed of a vetch. <BR/>3. Bible. a noxious weed, probably the darnel. <BR/><BR/>B. 1. the weight of the wrapping, receptacle, or conveyance containing goods. <BR/>2. a deduction from the gross weight to allow for this. <BR/>3. the weight of a vehicle without cargo, passengers, etc. <BR/><BR/>Origin: <BR/>1300–50; ME: vetch; akin to D tarwe wheat<BR/>1480–90; MF: (akin to ML, It, Pr, Sp, Pg tara, Sp atara) ≪ Ar ṭarḥah what one throws away, deriv. of ṭaraḥa, to throw away.<BR/><BR/>I found the "Bearded Darnel" theory in online bible studies, a grass that looks like wheat n juvenile form. I also found an agriculture prof who says that it is real wheat but infected by a virus that makes it fail to seed. Is Eutychus an Ag professor by chance?Joe Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15385756442506439825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5377834399139333410.post-73387354364402185932009-03-06T10:17:00.000-06:002009-03-06T10:17:00.000-06:00Amen to the Rennar-Meister. Good point. Brant Hans...Amen to the Rennar-Meister. Good point. <BR/><BR/>Brant Hanson sort of said in his article it's the part about loving the neighbor that sets these people off against what he says on the radio. The fruit is fulfilling the law of love, and being fruitless is having "Christian" religion without Christ's "revolutionary love."<BR/><BR/>Fruit. It's food and its seeds, right? It reproduces life after its kind, and it nourishes the one who releases the seeds by eating it. <BR/><BR/>I guess "Fruit" is the reality-of what doctrine is the talk-of. It's all about the life of God coming into the world through Jesus. Whoever isnt bringing life into the world gets burned up with the deadwood. (Did I read that here at unChurch?)<BR/><BR/>By the way, Joe B mentioned the parable of the tares. But i bet you dont know what tares are. "Tares" are actually real wheat, bt they are wheat that does not bear fruit. It takes up space, and it stands there looking like it belongs there, but it's got no grain on it. I was told it even grows taller too, since it doesn't do the work of fruiting. In the parable the workers ask "hey, should we go weed out the tares?" The boss tells them no, but not because they cannot tell the difference (it's pretty obvious really.) No, he says "if you pull up there tares, some of the good wheat may get uprooted." He says just wait til the harvest and take it to the threshing floor where you basically beat the heck out of the wheat stalks and knock the grain loose. What's left is straw (chaff), which is burned up as waste. So the fruit continues in new life, but the chaff is destroyed. Bummer for them. <BR/><BR/>Speaking of long bible studies.Eutychushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10410920152955587093noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5377834399139333410.post-73327602130995245312009-03-06T09:27:00.000-06:002009-03-06T09:27:00.000-06:00You may sound harsh to say that this sounds like a...You may sound harsh to say that this sounds like a case of fals Christians. But I think its right.<BR/>Jesus teld the frightening story of people who come before the judgement thinking they had done God a great favor, but God say "away from me you evildoers" <BR/><BR/>His answer to them is a very surprising quote Ps 6:7-11 says: "I am wearied with sighing; all night long tears drench my bed; my couch is soaked with weeping. My eyes are dimmed with sorrow, worn out because of all my foes. Away from me, all who do evil! The LORD has heard my weeping. The LORD has heard my prayer; the LORD takes up my plea. My foes will be terrified and disgraced; all will fall back in sudden shame." <BR/><BR/>This saying of Jesus identifies him both as Judge and as the intercessor, but now finished with suffering for the evils of others. <BR/><BR/>Read the saying of Jesus in Matthew 7: 15 "Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. "You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they? "So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit. "A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit. "Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. So then, you will know them by their fruits. Not everyone who says to Me, `Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. Many will say to Me on that day, `Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' And then I will declare to them, `I never knew you; depart from me, you who do lawless.' Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine and acts on them, may be compared to a wise man who built his house on the rock.<BR/><BR/>The people he condemns look just fine in their sheep clothes, and they have spoken in God's nome. But the words are empty because they have no fruit. <BR/><BR/>They talk bible but the do not follow Jesus!<BR/><BR/>Sorry the long bible study.Rennar Hoelskhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11864974074621355131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5377834399139333410.post-2378490096382938822009-03-05T16:07:00.000-06:002009-03-05T16:07:00.000-06:00on reflection........this is really so sad. We ju...on reflection........this is really so sad. We just dont "know" Him. We know lots of stuff.....important stuff....but we just dont know Him. We are so caught up in the "fight" that we have forgotten that the One we are fighting "for" has told us to "love" and to leave the sword alone. We have stopped listening to Him. We are so busy defending Him (The faith)that we have taken our focus off of Him & His words & who He is, and put the focus on us and how well we are doing in the "fight" for our Savior. We dont know Him. How sad.Jan Kelleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12287608710066935422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5377834399139333410.post-27991558495484457862009-03-05T11:35:00.000-06:002009-03-05T11:35:00.000-06:00The Kingdom of God is like a field where the enemy...The Kingdom of God is like a field where the enemy plants tares among the wheat. It's like a dragnet that pulls up all kinds of fishes in the same net. Its like flour with yeast blended in. <BR/><BR/>It should be no surprise when there are false Christians among the people God, it's no surprise when they consider themselves Christians, and it's no surprise when they consider themselves better Christians than Jesus.<BR/><BR/>What is perpetually startling is that the False Ones end up defining the outer appearance of the Gathered Ones, the <I>ekklesia.</I> (You know, like the yeast/leaven determines the shape and size of the loaf.) The ambitious and the officious clatter to the front of the herd and sit in judgement of both sheep and shepherd. Fleece a sheep, stone a prophet, crucify a savior. Stuff happens.<BR/><BR/>BUT! These parables tell us two things loud and clear: (1) Jesus is not surprised or alarmed, he saw it coming and he's got it under control. (2) It is God's problem, and we're neither qualified nor authorized to sort them out. <BR/><BR/>So what's a sheep to do? We love the Lord our God with all our heart, soul, mind and strength, and our neighbor as ourself.<BR/><BR/>That's the better end of the deal anyway.Joe Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15385756442506439825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5377834399139333410.post-37860255723623579462009-03-04T21:19:00.000-06:002009-03-04T21:19:00.000-06:00Aha!Take that Brant Hansen, big-time radio christi...Aha!<BR/><BR/>Take that Brant Hansen, big-time radio christian celebrity!<BR/><BR/>I actually e-mailed him. I think I hear his lawyers' helicopter circling overhead...Joe Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15385756442506439825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5377834399139333410.post-29960555222756670202009-03-04T21:03:00.000-06:002009-03-04T21:03:00.000-06:00i do not condemn you Joe B. I view this action (t...i do not condemn you Joe B. I view this action (the copying and editing of this man's message and presenting it a your own) as a desire from you to demonstrate your love of the Lord with all of your heart, mind and soul. I see it as you attempting to "sink" His (Jesus) message in to the heart and soul of your "neighbor" so they can "know" this Jesus as the One He is and can experience a truly "changed" life that is more easily possible if your neighbor can get past all of the "Church stuff" and get to the "words" of the Master. I get nothing but "love" from this message....AmenJan Kelleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12287608710066935422noreply@blogger.com