tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5377834399139333410.post7394268055076564476..comments2023-09-03T08:56:25.801-05:00Comments on The unChurch: "Members of One Another": To Know, and To Be Known, Part IIUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5377834399139333410.post-55117666038833599212010-08-24T20:47:26.084-05:002010-08-24T20:47:26.084-05:00Yeah. I think when it becomes "Community-Sex&...Yeah. I think when it becomes "Community-Sex" the visual backdrop drowns out any rational thought.<br /><br />NEXT TOPIC!!Joe Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15385756442506439825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5377834399139333410.post-63069672844182815832010-08-19T07:53:37.410-05:002010-08-19T07:53:37.410-05:00I know, right? Two awesome topics: Community and S...I know, right? Two awesome topics: <i>Community</i> and <i>Sex</i>! And yet... nothing.Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12709695711959307964noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5377834399139333410.post-91122810492203252212010-08-18T10:19:18.192-05:002010-08-18T10:19:18.192-05:00(*chirp*)
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(*chirp*)<i>(*chirp*)<br /><br />(*chirp*)<br /><br />(*chirp*)</i>Craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16389193386974951036noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5377834399139333410.post-30624983205524128702010-08-07T15:56:13.598-05:002010-08-07T15:56:13.598-05:00Hmmmmm. . .
I can’t help thinking that going off ...Hmmmmm. . .<br /><br />I can’t help thinking that going off on the non-standard sexual practices of the Oneida community would be missing the point a bit. Obviously, it is possible to have an intense Christian community life with one wife-per-husband (and vice-versa). And that was certainly the case in the early Church.<br /><br />But I will admit that intentional community life is not easy, and in many of the same ways that being married is not easy. Just for one example, it more-or-less forces you to confront your own selfishness at a pretty down-and-dirty level. . .Craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16389193386974951036noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5377834399139333410.post-68510103443868028952010-08-06T07:42:55.426-05:002010-08-06T07:42:55.426-05:00Ah yes, we've talked about the Oneida communit...Ah yes, we've talked about the Oneida community before... I remember now. THAT'S an interesting one!<br /><br />We almost need an informational link for people to see what you are talking about slightly more, if they haven't heard of them. I'd go with <a href="http://www.nyhistory.com/central/oneida.htm" rel="nofollow">THIS</a> or even <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oneida_Community" rel="nofollow">this Wikipedia</a> entry. Hopefully those are fairly accurate.<br /><br />It'll be an interesting discussion to see what everyone actually agrees with, concerning the Oneida-ans, rather than just what they <i>disagree</i> with. :-)Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12709695711959307964noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5377834399139333410.post-25038640391488204942010-08-06T06:58:26.372-05:002010-08-06T06:58:26.372-05:00Here's a very controversial matter that both t...Here's a very controversial matter that both the monastics and the 19th century utopians faced:<br /><br />"Living in Community" is living like family (thus Christians call each other Brother and Sister.) BUT. True families are constructed with sexual bonds. Marriage. Bed. Sex. Offspring. Kitchen. Household. Relatives. Tribe. Ethnos.<br /><br />Like the The Monastics, the 19th C. Shakers forbade marriage because it limits community to those in the sexually forged circle of family. The surprisingly successful christian 19th C. Oneida community in New York took the opposite tack: EVERYBODY was married to EVERYBODY. That's right, sex for all! (Only without children. And arguably, the demise of the community was when they decided to start a "breeding program" that allowed babies.)<br /><br />Can you believe I even brought that up? But since I was talking about the walls that divide us...<br /><br />I think there is a lesson in these experiences of the monastics and 19th Century Utpoians.<br /><br />What is it?Joe Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15385756442506439825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5377834399139333410.post-73765448494771586842010-08-06T06:42:07.143-05:002010-08-06T06:42:07.143-05:00For some years we unMonks of the unChurch have gra...For some years we unMonks of the unChurch have grappled with the practical side of communal-slash-community living, but without actually living under one roof or in the same cul de sac. Craig's crew actually live in very close proximity, kinda fusing worship and daily life.<br />My conclusion? It's darned difficult. The gravitational pull of just living like everyone else is overwhelming. <br />Heck, you can roast a pig, hire a band, rent an inflatable bounce-house and send engraved invitations...and its still hard to get even close friends to hang out a while. Let alone to live in actual, functional community. It seems to me that if people don't actually share a kitchen (as they did in ancient times), the idea of "living in community" can be only an idea.<br />Is biblical <i>koinonia</i> (common living) truly nothing more than going out to eat together after church? Is that all there is?Joe Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15385756442506439825noreply@blogger.com